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Date: Dec 12, 2004

Why Meles Must Be Supported

Date: Dec 12, 2004

Dear Ethiopian man, I completely agree with what you said . That is brilliant. That is the fact nobody can't deny. All we see on the net and hear in most medias is so far from truth and leading the country to bloodshedding.

From what I read on the net, I can conclude that many of the writers are either ignorants, liars, losers, or zeregnas. I see them to oppose everything what Meles says. They say Meles is always WRONG.

Support the good, oppose the wrong. thats the way should be.

If one supports EPRDF, all oppositions would hate him--- (this is lack of democratic knowledge), what I think is, concerning democracy the present government is better than any oppositions available at the present moment. At least trying it for the first time. And accepts it is infant and there is problem in the democratic process.

Most oppositions are happy to see tribal conflicts, public chaos, famine, ...all the bad things to happen to the country so that they take advantage of it to uplift themselve. hey guys this is time to help our people get out of poverty! If you begin cursing the government, you keep cursing regardless of the positive improvements that will be seen. Then pass cursing your entire life....

Selam le Ethiopia

Date: Dec 12, 2004

Mr Ethiopian man

Absolutely! Well said.

Chauvinism is a cancer of any society and that is what the financiers/supporters of the so-called TPLF dissenters are. But I can understand their frustration.

I am an Amara, but have always been an Ethiopian first and an Amara next. The situation in Ethiopia was terrible from 1991 to around 1997-98. Many Amara’s perished just because they are Amara’s and in particular Shewa Amara’s. All that was because of the Banda’s from the former Ethiopian province Eritrea and the warmongering chauvinists like Siye Abrha and his comrades as well as the Chauvinist and war mongering oromo’s.

I follow news from Ethiopia on a day-to-day basis, also first hand information.

I agree with what you pointed out here and one has to give a credit to PM Meles Zenawi also for: 1. Promoting multiparty democracy for the first time in Ethiopian history where opposition political parties have been legally allowed but sadly the 60 or so opposition parties have not managed to come up with a socio-political strategy of their own till the very present day. All what the opposition parties, 98% of them are doing is oppose each and every policy of the Ethiopian PM Meles Zenawi. That is very sad.

Weizerit Yodit Imiru once said: “Our problem is that, in the process of our competition, we try to destroy our competitors rather than looking upon them as a challenge and try to do better, which is not good. It is always good to have a competitor because it puts you in a better position to achieve better things. “

We also have to learn to establish continuity of government organizations including the security, military and borderline guards etc. and not destroy anymore what has been achieved with a hard work and start from a scratch which has been seen jeopardizing the national security of our beloved country Ethiopia.

Date: Dec 12, 2004

You ****en Banda ,Son Of a beach,don`t hide in Ethiopa.Go Where you belong in Medre Sodom.Zingero!!!!!!YESHABYA KITREGNA!!!!!!

Amhara and Tigray are the two faces of a single Golden Axumite Coin.Never Lived separated and will never do in the Future.

TigrayShewaTigrayShewaTigray=One And the same.First,Study our history.

LOng live Meles!!!!!!!!!Longlive Gebru!!!!!!

Longlive EPRDF!!!!!!!HAGOS/WETA/HAGOS/META-ENDALTEBALE!!!!!!!!

I can`t stand these kind of pervert Bandas who come wearing a tattered psuedo-amhara mask.

Longlive Tigray and True Amharas,Death to Pseudo Amharas.

Date: Dec 12, 2004

First of all one has to learn civility. Chewanet is a must when one is engaged in discussion about anything both in a written and spoken form. Rude behaviour is a sign of weakness and fear.

Secondly, if your response is directed to me then I can assure you that you are wrong in each and everything that you have said. Suspicion is always good but it should not pass the limits of the healthy and the mentally sick.

Thirdly, that what I wrote is only the fact about Ethiopia and in fact if you are trying to silence others about the atrocities and genocide committed against Amara’s then I will tell you that you will only make things worse. It is the way I said it and the way I am saying it now.

Fourthly, There are other deadly serious issues that Ethiopian’s of Tigray origin have to also admit – Namely, the illegal occupation of Amara territories of Gonder and Northern Wello.

The atrocities, genocide and the illegally occupied territories just don’t go away and be forgotten by telling others and me “we are the different face of the same coin”, “we are the same people”. Yes, in fact I can also tell you that there is some distant Tigrei “blood” in me. But that doesn’t make me compromise and deny facts about the crimes, atrocities, genocide and illegal occupation of huge, fertile and reach Amara territories incorporating it to Tigray. All this is a crime and it will not pass away with empty words. What is the difference of occupation of territories by neighbours and or people from far away land? The skin colour or what? – There is no difference in that.

My suggestion and advise for you and people like you is that you better start talking about it NOW. Trying to lie and or trying to make it secret will never make things better – it will not even alleviate the pain of the deep wounds that is.

REMEMBER THIS!!!

Goodby.

Date: Dec 13, 2004

I still believe you are not from Ethiopia and that you are a Medri Wossenait ,Shaebia, acting as my detractor from the main issue at hand, i.e., the noble Anti-banda war.

One thing is true though:you will never detract me from the core of my beliefs; such as,my deeply held conviction(based on sound historical facts of yester years) that, Amharas and Tigrayans are one and the same .Yes!!!!, to repeat: an Amhara is a by-product of the growth and development of the Axumite empire in the hinterlands of North-central and Central Ethiopia.

The pychological make up of Amharas,viewing themselves as different from Tigrayans emerged in Gondar, during Zemene mesafint.The ruling classes in Gondar ,The Capital at that Time,Were all from Tigray, in Origin.The once who stayed in that Sedentary Capital(the First Ever After Axum),had developed their own clique and tried to sabotage the King Maker Sehul Michae(admittedly, the 1st prime-minster of Ethiopia),not very familiar with their network and nuances.

Queen Mente-wabe(her oiginal name=BirhanMogessa,Weletegeworgs),the widow of Emperor Bacaffa(=in geeze meaning the inexorable,his original name=BirhanSeged,AtsnafSeged),who was her self not born in Gondar(she was born and raised in Axum-Awraja,NaEder and Sehul Michael was half from NaEder,too),ironically,became his worst nemesis. Eventhough Sehul got married to her daughter ,to lure Mente-Wabe to his side,to his dismay,Minte-wabe always took the side of the old guard( royality).

He got so angry with her intrigues that, after may years of feud, he completly emasculated the old guards and created his oun kingdom ,streching from Angereb to Suakin.Lasta was always with him and his descendants.

Thus, as you might also have known it before,the Mintewab-Michael feud gave way to regionalism(the Era of kings= zebene-Mesafint).The carving of territory to yourself was started by Sehul Michael(ever). However,even much earlier before Habeshas controlled Dembia, and Fassill (Alemseged)created a permanent residence outside Axum, in the place the local Agew Tribes of Dembia call Gondar(For fear of Turky`s saboteurs);the whole of Semien,lasta and Wag,the part of Angote north of Alawaha River, were always governed by Abieto(brother of the king)from Adwa.Adwa also ruled up to Suakin And most of the sea coast not controlled by Turkey.Adua always appointed the Bahrineggasi(head of impot-export) in Doba-Ruba.

If you read this history and you give yourself enough time to contemplate ,you,if you have good heart, will repent at the end.I have not lied to you .I am a genuine Habesha-ze-Tigray.

From this short history lesson,You can surmise that,the Tplf-Carved Tigray,is only,may be 18-20% of the historic Tigay.It is sad that the TPLF,when they have/had all what it takes to correct huge mistakes made by Hailessalasie, with out correcting those Mistakes,they created even worst and much bigger Mistake.Amarakillil,OromoKilil,AfarKilil,etc....are names as foreign to Ethiopia as the word computer.My friend!,ask the TPLF;if noy Ethiopia, why Tigray cannot claim ertra.Ask please ,also, why Armacheho,Aderkay region,and many parts of Tsegede and Wegera are still Under Dembia.It was only Hailesellasie who made it so,but Weyane continues to ignore it.Ask Meles why,Assale,Dalol, Berahley,Wag/Himyar,Alwaha(Angote),Lasta,etc,are not in Tigray.These are the 1st mistakes that have to be corrected

before the brand new Kilils decide to demolish their Melesian-boundries and dare reclaim the nonsense Hailesselasie`s provinces.

Amhara,the home of the Amharas,started in Central Tigray.Then it moved to Angote,today`s south Tigray.Later, their home became today`s Wadladelanta.Finally,however, it was the Blessed, Norh Shoa,that became their home,to this day.When historians speak of Amhara,they mean only Shoa. Speaking Amharic as first language, is not enough to claim an Amhara identity.

Tigray now speaks the dialect called Tigrigna,however,as far as history and blood linkage goes ,Shoa and Tigray are the prime Amharas-which literally means christian worrior of the Axumite Agazians.

Date: Dec 13, 2004

Your arguement for supporting Meles is the one used by his paid agents. Yhose roads ypu mention are not built by meles. They are built by aid or borrowed money. You waht it means . The roads and bridges destroyed by meles and his TPLF were woth than the shoddu ones ypu mention now. How many parts of the good infrastructure did he destroy as an ethnic war lord? A peson running to fill hios belly can not answer this.

Date: Dec 13, 2004

Recently we took three samples of data at three diffrent locality in concern to see Melles supporters ratio, believing there are some overwhelmed by you people in the internet. As a fact no one was found except that 5 % of the people interviewed do not want to expess their stands. This shows that either in Tigray or in Gomgofa no sigle citzen of Ethiopia is in favour of your Idiot PM Legesse.

So it is very clear whom could voice onbehalf of Legesse. Either those with him in the market and deal or a very few one bargained by little money just for barking or the whole EPLF force. Hence, you just tell us your self to which of them you belong! That is the only left problem to sort be sortout.

Date: Dec 14, 2004

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Originally posted by: Anti medre Wossen
" I still believe you are not from Ethiopia and that you are a Medri Wossenait ,Shaebia, acting as my detractor from the main issue at hand, i.e., the noble Anti-banda war. One thing is true though:you will never detract me from the core of my beliefs; such as,my deeply held conviction(based on sound historical facts of yester years) that, Amharas and Tigrayans are one and the same .Yes!!!!, to repeat: an Amhara is a by-product of the growth and development of the Axumite empire in the hinterlands of North-central and Central Ethiopia. The pychological make up of Amharas,viewing themselves as different from Tigrayans emerged in Gondar, during Zemene mesafint.The ruling classes in Gondar ,The Capital at that Time,Were all from Tigray, in Origin.The once who stayed in that Sedentary Capital(the First Ever After Axum),had developed their own clique and tried to sabotage the King Maker Sehul Michae(admittedly, the 1st prime-minster of Ethiopia),not very familiar with their network and nuances. Queen Mente-wabe(her oiginal name=BirhanMogessa,Weletegeworgs),the widow of Emperor Bacaffa(=in geeze meaning the inexorable,his original name=BirhanSeged,AtsnafSeged),who was her self not born in Gondar(she was born and raised in Axum-Awraja,NaEder and Sehul Michael was half from NaEder,too),ironically,became his worst nemesis. Eventhough Sehul got married to her daughter ,to lure Mente-Wabe to his side,to his dismay,Minte-wabe always took the side of the old guard( royality). He got so angry with her intrigues that, after may years of feud, he completly emasculated the old guards and created his oun kingdom ,streching from Angereb to Suakin.Lasta was always with him and his descendants. Thus, as you might also have known it before,the Mintewab-Michael feud gave way to regionalism(the Era of kings= zebene-Mesafint).The carving of territory to yourself was started by Sehul Michael(ever). However,even much earlier before Habeshas controlled Dembia, and Fassill (Alemseged)created a permanent residence outside Axum, in the place the local Agew Tribes of Dembia call Gondar(For fear of Turky`s saboteurs);the whole of Semien,lasta and Wag,the part of Angote north of Alawaha River, were always governed by Abieto(brother of the king)from Adwa.Adwa also ruled up to Suakin And most of the sea coast not controlled by Turkey.Adua always appointed the Bahrineggasi(head of impot-export) in Doba-Ruba. If you read this history and you give yourself enough time to contemplate ,you,if you have good heart, will repent at the end.I have not lied to you .I am a genuine Habesha-ze-Tigray. From this short history lesson,You can surmise that,the Tplf-Carved Tigray,is only,may be 18-20% of the historic Tigay.It is sad that the TPLF,when they have/had all what it takes to correct huge mistakes made by Hailessalasie, with out correcting those Mistakes,they created even worst and much bigger Mistake.Amarakillil,OromoKilil,AfarKilil,etc....are names as foreign to Ethiopia as the word computer.My friend!,ask the TPLF;if noy Ethiopia, why Tigray cannot claim ertra.Ask please ,also, why Armacheho,Aderkay region,and many parts of Tsegede and Wegera are still Under Dembia.It was only Hailesellasie who made it so,but Weyane continues to ignore it.Ask Meles why,Assale,Dalol, Berahley,Wag/Himyar,Alwaha(Angote),Lasta,etc,are not in Tigray.These are the 1st mistakes that have to be corrected before the brand new Kilils decide to demolish their Melesian-boundries and dare reclaim the nonsense Hailesselasie`s provinces. Amhara,the home of the Amharas,started in Central Tigray.Then it moved to Angote,today`s south Tigray.Later, their home became today`s Wadladelanta.Finally,however, it was the Blessed, Norh Shoa,that became their home,to this day.When historians speak of Amhara,they mean only Shoa. Speaking Amharic as first language, is not enough to claim an Amhara identity. Tigray now speaks the dialect called Tigrigna,however,as far as history and blood linkage goes ,Shoa and Tigray are the prime Amharas-which literally means christian worrior of the Axumite Agazians."

I am a Shewa Amhara(a true Amhara) and competely agree With Anti-MedreWossen.