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Kiros Girmay

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Meles & Bereket Simon:- Giving Away Badme-Irob-Assab and taking pride on their Eritreaness (Give and Take Initiative).  


We have been told since their guerrilla days that Eritrea should become independence in order Ethiopia to have peace. Even though most people disagree with their idea, because they are armed and by intimidating and killing people who opposed, they sign a letter to UN and were the first Eritreans in Menelik palace to acknowledge the Independence of Eritrea. Now, Meles is telling us that during the seven years, relationship between the two countries was great, but that in 1997 started problems. I wonder what is Meles talking about? The relationship before the war was definitely pro-Eritrea. Eritrea benefited while Ethiopia losing on all front of the relationship. But, why is Meles telling us that our relations were excellent before the war, it is obvious if Eritrea benefited that is when Meles feels great. The “give and take” initiative that they come up with is just to satisfy their own desires. Their wish from their guerrilla days is to see, internationally recognized, well-defined boarders, and prosperous country called Eritrea. Frankly, they are successful on all fronts except the last one and they are trying to normalize the relationship to finish this part of the job. The Eritrean agents are doing their job and are successful in every move they made, even though they are enemies of my country, Ethiopia, I applaud them for doing in what they stand for.


We were told Eritrea’s independence is Ethiopia’s peace, but that didn’t come about, Ethiopia was invaded by Eritrea in 1998. Now, Meles and Bereket are telling us it is in the benefit of Ethiopia to come up with the five initiatives. What guarantee do we have even after we gave Badme/Irob/Assab the monster will be satisfied? We keep feeding the monster, but it never gets satisfied. Why Ethiopia have to bleed in order to satisfy Eritrea? Where are the Ethiopians in the government that should fight for Ethiopia? How long are we going to be deceived? I think the Ethiopian people should learn from Georgians, Ukraine and other countries and stand up peacefully and challenge the agents in Menelik palace. There is also a talk about giving a land from Humera to the Suddenness, are we waiting until this government gives away Addis Ababa? From the start of the Algiers agreement Meles and Co. didn’t fight for Ethiopia, the commission said so “Ethiopia didn’t present evidence regarding badme” this shows they gave away our territories intentionally and when the commission presents its final findings, Meles was pleased and told the Ethiopian people to come out and dance. When the people find out that badme and Irob was given away, Meles come up with a delaying tactic “pretending to oppose the ruling.” The tactic is that Meles and Co. wants Ethiopians to lay down their guards, believing that Meles will fight for them. At this time all things are for Ethiopia, since the problem child is Eritrea in the region. Why are Meles and Bereket bleeding inside when Shaebia hurts? My opposition is not why Meles and Bereket loves Eritrea, my opposition is that why they are hurting Ethiopia, which isn’t at fault. I appeal to the Ethiopian people wherever they are, they should say enough is enough and take action by taking peaceful demonstrations allover the country and abroad. We all know that many young Ethiopians lost their lives to keep the Ethiopian territorial integrity, but should it lost in vain? I personally appreciate the 10 opposition and independent MPs for fighting for their country, even though the odds are against them. I call them my heroes. Specially, Ato Bedru Adem, the independent MP. That is what representing people means. The rest MPs of EPRDF they represent Meles not the people, not single MP from EPRDF opposed the handing away territories to Eritrea, not a single MP, what does this tell us. Rubber stamp parliament that passes anything and everything that comes from MELES. Sham! 


Kiros Girmay 



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Solomon

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Originally posted by: Kiros Girmay
"Meles & Bereket Simon:- Giving Away Badme-Irob-Assab and taking pride on their Eritreaness (Give and Take Initiative). "


This is a very good, repeat, very good analysis of the so called give-take initiative.






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Miti

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Your argument that Meles is Eritrean agent is fundamentally baseless.  There is not a bit of evidence that indicates Meles has done anything in favor of Eritrea by compromising Ethiopia's national security and interest.  You are brainwashed by the propoganda of Dekialula, Hezbawi, Reporter, and other media outlets who basically hate the PM because they lost the power they once held.  In contrast, Meles is the best leader Ethiopia ever had.  Under his brilliant leadership, our economy has grown by 13%, lesss people are starved, our relationship with the international community is a superp, we are the most democractic nation in the continent, and you name them.  The country is heading in the right direction.  The peace initiative authored by the Prime Minister is intended to put the mafia gov't isayas on the defensive.  No more, no less.

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Haile

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I sense you are truly Ethiopian. What you said is all true.


   But you said:"How long are we going to be deceived? "


We have never been decieved. Thanks to TPLF "smart move to take power" we are divided and Erithrea become an issue to that Great land used to be called Ethiopia. To be honest, I don't know any solution except solving this problem in our traditional way. Gegna yasifelegenal.


We will stand again soon.


 



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sara

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you wrote "There is not a bit of evidence that indicates Meles has done anything in favor of Eritrea by compromising Ethiopia's national security and interest. "


Do you have the minimum intelligence to understand giving a land for free is not hurting a national intrest? I could write more , but questioned your intelligence to grasp what is going on?


Sorry for insulting your intelligence, but you deserve it.



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Miti

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Badme is a piece of land that by no means have any effect on Ethiopia's interest and national security.  As I said before, there is no substantial evidence that indicates Meles compromising Ethiopia's interest and security in order to help Eritrea. 

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Kiros Girmay

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Your argument doesn't hold water. Badme is not ONLY a piece of Land, there are people who live there and that land is their ancestorial land. Think, what about if we give away all the lands of Ethiopia piece by piece, do you still think it doesn't affect Ethiopia? Loving Meles and telling the truth are different. He proved himself to us that he is an Eritrean agent, we didn’t.    


 


Kiros Girmay



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YELMA

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Mr Kiros you were betrayed From your leaders from the beginning of the border war .they thought they drunk enough Tejj in addis and became the masters like the previous leaders of poor Ethiopia.They forgot everything what they fought for.to free the tigrayans from slavery.Eritrea give them all what they need to liberate their people but then they fall in love with the astuteness of amhara and became lieres as you witnessing now.It is still not to late to be visionary.But it is sad enough to see the misery of the tigrayan people.The Eritrean revolution is on its march despite all the odds .Eritrea has learned its lessons and will prevail soon.May God help The Ethiopian people to comeout from the misery its leaders create.


From a peace loving neighbour



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Moges

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Hi! Yilma. I think it is time to stop your inferiority complex. Being an Amhara or loving their culture is not being anti-tigray. This kind of attiude is directly responsible for the situation you are in. I can't say any thing more because you may not like it.


Have peace


 



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Mehoni

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**********************************************Fight for your country****************down with Meles and his hashakir**************



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Sosuna

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Thanks to all who stand for Ethiopia, including Kiros, Solomon, Sara, Moges, and Yilma.


We all can make a difference; lets keep our political difference to ourselves for now. Our agenda should be Ethiopian territorial integrity. Without a country there is not political power. Thus, all oppositions should focus on the Ethiopian Territorial Integrity. We don't want another Meles who focuses only on power. The topic of the day is FIRST SAVE ETHIOPIA. 


Sosuna


 



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Hawzen

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Those are the people don't want to repeat a mistake done on the old Tigray, They beleive in the Existance of Eritrea for the sake of the futer Country of Tigray.

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meles

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I think meles is a great leader, who admits when he is wrong, unlike the previous leaders of Ethiopia; we have the reincarnation of Aste Yohaness with all the mercifulness, Ethiopian in our leadership, let us support and bring back peace to our land.  



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Geda

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Hi all, I agree with all Ethiopians in this forum, we need to get rid of MELES

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Yohannes

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When I evaluate PM Meles bold and strategic decisions and savvy leadership, it reminded me a visionary and bold Canadian PM Pearson in 1950s and 60s. At that time the English Candians' affection with the Great Bretain was very high. When the PM Pearson proposed to the House of Commons to change the Canadian Flag by another one which can reflect the diversity and integrity of Canada, many English Canadian opposed so bitterly. However, he persisted and a new national Flag was introduced. Again the PM took many other radical measures. They were unpopular at that time. But they helped the country to achieve its present status. Now after 40 years, he has been selected by the people of Canada to be one of the 10 greatest Canadians.



Ethiopia is realy lucky to have such a leader with full of wisdom, realism and prudence. I am sure, many future generation Ethiopians will benefit from his extraordinary work at this time. What he is doing with his colleagues now will undoubtedly have a long implication for the country. Indeed, lucky country to have so smart figure like Meles as its head. 



Well, what I can advice for those simply throwing words emotionally is the following:



If you want to see sustainable development of your country, support him and his leadership. Please we should not mix our individual misfortune or fortune with the vital and ground breaking national development agendas. We are now in the 21st centurey. Our world is becomeing terribly smaller and smaller. Old ideas don't work. In fact, they are counter productive. Their negative impact can affect us indivudually and collectively.



If Ethiopia and Eritrea live in peace, their endouments will be enough for the Ethipiopian and Eritrean people. After all they are brotherly people. Yes whether we like it or not they are. We need to come back to our sense and stop looking through a small hole. Feudalistic mentality doesn't help at this Internet time. You can see how the Europeans are unting, how diverse populations are living in harmony in many countries. We must develop a culture of tolerance and brothership. That is a strong signal of sivility and establishment of strong and dynamic society. Let us nurture it and direct our efforts and energy towards building peace, development and solidarity. This is the right direction. Otherwise, we cannot pull ourselves out of the quagmire of poverty, backwardness. We have to remember that what we do today will determine the destiy of our childeren as the next generation. If we continue like this, our regret will be terrible in the near future unless we say the greedy words " if I die let the grass should not grow". It is a true measurement for us to what extent we love our country. Other wise we are insulting our farsightedness. 



Let us widen our horizon and be realistic. Learning is a continuous process.



Cheers



 



Yohannes



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Mari

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This time, Ethiopians should decide what kind of leader our country needs! Do we need a leader that facilitates war or peace?..... do we need bread or blood ? do we need growth and development or poverty and backwardness for the coming decades?.......... the chioce is for the people. But for me those opposition (most of which are losers in the previous games) are running for the post through short-cuts by magnifying the peace proposal. PM Melles has explained the issue in detail why his cabinate decides the peace proposal starting from the begining of the  war and why he is accepting "in principle".....In addition he told them what would be the 'Red Line' of the negotiations .......and he is right he donot have to mention by names.... but it doesn't require any level of intellectuality to guess  what would be the redlines of the negotiations........unless they are badme and Adi-Irob.     


The people of Ethiopia likes Melles as being the peace leader than being a war leader..... we have seen those who put the country's resource  for war between brothers and we know the difference that his government brought to the people. Time will show us the outcome! but for the time-being......better to think not only to give but also to take !!!!



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Kiros Girmay

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Mari and Yohannes,


I think Ethiopian people know very well who is for peace and who isn't. Meles told us Eritrea’s' independent will bring peace and development. None of what we told happen; now he is repeating the same thing that he was saying 13 years ago. Peace at what cost? That is the question. The Irob people are saying that they are Ethiopians, why sell them out? How do we know that even after Shaebia gets what they want, peace will prevail? You can support Meles, as much as you like, but the fact will not change, he is a sellout, banda. He stand for Eritrea, he never worked for Ethiopia. He is using Ethiopia just until he finishes his task, and that is complete independence, well-demarcated boarder, and prosperous Eritrea. He accomplished the first and he is on his way to the second one. Finally the third part of his task prosperous ERITREA at the expense of Ethiopia will be after normalization. It has been obvious, it isn't emotional or any thing. The purpose of MELES coming to power starting from his guerrilla day’s is only to achieve the Eritrean agenda, period. 


Kiros girmay



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Megersa

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Hi all,


I am Ethiopian of Oromo origin; I am with my Ethiopian brothers. Issayas is trying to divide us, by training OLF and other opposition by arming and training them, but he doesn't know our history. When it comes to our Ethiopia, we are one and that is why they didn't success.


Megersa



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Yohannes

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Dear Kiros:



Every one has the right to say what he or she believes. One thing I would like to bring to your attention is: my concern for the Ethiopian and Eritrean people. I believe from the bottom of your heart that you don't like the sufferring of the people.



I am sure, this problem will not stay forever. It will be histroy and we will remember it with a shame and bitterness. If we fail to do our homework or imped those who are trying. We will say why people killed each other for problems which can be fully solved peacefully. I expect you to agree with me that war doesn't bring a solution, never in history.



Different countries have comfortably solved their bitter problems or disagreements peacefully but not with bullets. I can give you many examples. Now please imagine a war between Eritrea and Ethiopia; a war between peoples with common heritage, what a shame. More shame is for those who are deliberately adding gas to the fire just for their greedy personal interests. Oh! hostilities among people which have many, many attributes in common. We should really come to our sense.  Ato Meles is the PM of Ethiopia, and I don't need to tell you that his authority and previledges are in Ethiopia but no where else. It may be undialectice when we say his personal ambition as a PM is to fulfill the dreams of Eritrea. Can we smallow that given a simple common sense. I don't think any body will buy this. The reason is very clear. From my point of view, Ethiopia is lucky to have this PM at this critical time. I dearly hope that if we support or at least prevent ourselves from spreading a thesis no body buys. The country can re-ocupy its rightful place in the international community. It is in deed the country of cultured and hard working people. This can take at great length. 



It is really difficult for me to accept and telorate this. The Germans have tested the hideous legacy of war and distruction. And they always say "Alle sind teuer aber Frieden ist am Teursten" (Transilation: All are expensive but Peace is the most expensive"). They are right. Isn't it enough for the Ethiopian and Eritrean people. Why these people are deprived of peace and development while others are enjoying the wealth and happiness of our planet. No, No and No we shouldn't accept this. In fact, we have to re-engineer ourselves. Sooner or later we will realize that prosperity for Ethiopia or Eritrea means prosperity for all. Kirso, I can imagine you are a young person and I imagine this will happen in your life time. Just remember this for the record.



Yes, I and you are confortably living in diaspora, but, for sure,  we don't want to see the suffering of our innocent brothers and sisters. Our ancestors did not teach us this. They taught us telorance, solving problems with negotiation and rich culture shrouded with brotherhood and socially inistigated safety and support net. Let us not mix this with the greed. Otherwise It will not take us any where. In fact, we will loose pride and respect in the world community.



Kiros: I respect your personal opinion and stand, but it is also a moral obligation for me at least to say something about the seemingly wrong attitude you have at this moment. Of course this is from my point of view as a humble person. Don't worry, with peace and brothership, the potential endowments are enough for all the people . Please remember, Ethiopian and Eritrean people are hardworking and meticulous, but opportunity should be given to them. Otherwise histroy will document this at least in our hearts. Please remember that it is the summation of individual efforts which brings development.



Kiros, suffering is not good for anybody let alone to our sisters and brothers. The magic is in hour hands and we can make that.



I wish you all the best



With full respects and greetings



Yohannes



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Yikunom

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Dear Yohannes!


Thank you for the writing and all your examples! The problem is "how many times are we going to fool our selves by tit and tat"


I would be glad, if things could go as per your writing. But, I use to hear such nice words in my age for about 17 years (the time i start knowing TPLF)


I didnt see any vision, and i will no see any fruitful thing from them. I hope, you saw and feel what vision they altogether had.


Now, you are telling us asif PM is very intellegent and visionary. I dont understand why you conceived with his saying....and ababal ale....addis haymanotegna ke papas yibeltal...yibalal


I will  admit, if you can tell us that you have better vision than our PM. this can be good approach. Try to use it for your next writing


With full respect


 



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Gobens

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wishful thinking Banda. Your world is collapsing around you, but you cant see it til it is too late.

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Gobena

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Last message was for Yilma from Eritrea

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mulsol

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Ofcourse we Ethiopians appreciate Ato Meles's peace plan,not it is because write but it is the write way to develop our country and he also has no ear to hear our opposition to the peace plan.So It is on the advantage of eritrea no Ethiopia ,one thing what I fear for shabia is not to argue for Tigray as whole.



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KIROS GIRMAY

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Dear Yohannes and others alike,


I am not preaching war, every Ethiopian knows that war is distractive in any way you measure it. That isn't the point here. PM Meles never stands for Ethiopian interest. I can site a million examples.  But, I don't want to bore the readers, probably including you, because it is already in the public domain. Who can give Ethiopia guarantee, if Issayas gets what he wants there will be peace?  I hope you are aware Ethiopia didn't start the last war. I assure you that peace will not prevail in the area, if Ethiopia is without her own access to the sea, leave alone handing over Badme and Irob. 


You also have a right to believe Meles is the GOD of the universe that is up to you, which I can't take it away from you. Thus, please don't mix the war and the peace here. No one wants war, except the leaders like Meles and Issayas for their political consumption. I rest my case.


One Meles failure Example: Do you know that Meles’s failure is the reason we paid immensurable price in the past war? In terms of lives and materials. You could ask me why? Because if Meles is/was for Ethiopian interest, he should of tell the Eritreans where their boarder is before he sign a letter to recognizing Eritrea to the UN. If it is demarcated before the independent of Eritrea:


1)     Eritrea will not dare to occupy Badme, because it is internationally recognized boarder and Eritrea signed agreeing to that boarder.


    2) At the time Eritrea was focusing on their independent, and they would of agreed


        to almost anything Ethiopia says. Because without Ethiopian recognition, Eritrea will be “Somaliland”.


Kiros Girmay



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Wedi "Assab" Denkel

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An..ta....she..kati  Be..lesse.

 Please go to school and get some education.You are luky to be here in U.S.A ,if not you would have been selling cactus or push your hallmark "cart".Eritrean don't need to bluff,just watch and see from our daily development progression.



            Gipsy in Europe,Aggame "Tigrai" in Africa are the same.Low class,stamped with low inferiorty.We Eritrean were cursed and unfortunate to be your neighbour,you tigrayan or aggame,never even hesitate to peel "ant skin" and use it as a blanket.You are nothing but beggars like Gipsies.Future of Tigrai is gone with the wind for good.Asmara was paris for you ,not any more,go to the  filthy city of addis-abeba and urinate in the street,eat and sleep in the street.



             Wedi "Assab" Denkel




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Eritrawi abiding the rule of law

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Both Meles and Bereket are Ethiopians. They can not be Eritreans, by any measurement. Both are liers, which Eritreans are not, both are cheaters, which Eritreans are not, both are cowards, which Eritreans are not.... etc.


When it comes to Badme-Irob or else, there is no question that they will be back to the owners of the lands, in this case the Eritreans.


I think it is wise for Ethiopians to think rationally and accept the rule of law. Abiding by the rule of law will bear fruits to both countries, rather than beating a war drum that benefits none but distruction.



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G.B.T.

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Selamn Kisanotn, Tienan nikuluk, yibl Kiros wedigeganu!!!

well said and continue


Hawika wuhuj Keyiwesdeni

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Ziom

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 I if so then, why you Eritreans are more rest-less to defend Legesse's case with the Ethiopians? Wheather you believ it or not, at this time there is no one to be found from Ethiopia whom could stand on the same position or whom could support Legesse except the very few bargained. So any barking in such instance is only from Eritean.Why? I will be quiet interested in reading your replay to my question.

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