Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna? - Dekialula.com---Discuss Meles's "Give Land for Peace" Plan (DISCLAIMER: Deki-Alula and its staff do make no representations on comments expressed on this open forum. No responsibility or liability would be claimed by DekiAlula for any actions taken)

Date: Dec 6, 2004

Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 6, 2004

they have inferiority complex issue, thats why they prefer amharic or any other language than tigrina. eventhought they are the owners of the geez alphabets they call them amharic. besides they are agames you know. however i feel bad for them and hope since they are ruling ethiopia. hope they will bring back the proud history they have and make them selves proud of their identity.

Date: Dec 6, 2004

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Date: Dec 6, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 7, 2004

The person who brought this idea must be eriterean (our worst enemy in the world).Tigreans are pure Ethiopians and they were ones the worlds civilized and power full people during the Axumite kingdom. you Eritereans know the people of tigray more than any one does. and you know us how power full we were and we are. and we are proud of talking any othere language in Ethiopia because we believe in Ethiopia. Do not be narrow minded please, try to think like human being. See how your little stupid country is destroyed at this time, that is because we tigreans/Ethiopians blocked every thing that used to come to you, so you better worship us and respect us please! we can eliminate you from this world.

Date: Dec 7, 2004

Amharas , Oromos and other nationals are pure Ethiopians too, but they are proud of their respective languages exept Tigreans.

We know that you Eritreans and tigreans know each other more but we Amharas know you too and i dont see the power of tigreans as far as they are common beggars on the streets of cities in Ethiopia and Eritrea the economic dependency of tigreans is the main cause for the war poverty drought and HIV in Ethiopia so where is the power?
on the contrary we know that Ertreans achievedddd their freedom and even they were capable of bringing you to power with out them you were the last carbage of the country which you will be soon.

I dont think Eritrea is destroyed what we see is the have upper hand on the Intl. political arena they are building their country with the minimum resources they have but i see my country back to the 80s who is still fighting for nothing to overcome hunger.Bob Geldof is singing the same song to feed my ppl. pls be realistic and face the truth

You want to eliminate Eritreans from the world I dont see the reason why bu you want do that with ur hungry stomach?

I think Eritreans blocked us so that our country have logistic problems what can you block them things which we have can be imported every where and any where

At end it is always useless to assume you as ethiopians since you will change your identitz and say that u are tigrayans which are more closer to Eritreans .Asfar as i am concerned i will be the first to Eliminate the tigreans from Ethiopia

Regards
Atlabachew

Date: Dec 7, 2004

Hi "Ruffiani Eritrei" as your Master the husband of your fasthers Graziani calls u. U r the one who are ashamed of Tigrigna and say perche , cancelllo, camicia. campanella, We say lmntay beri, tbko, dewel, etc. Sahsah Hamassien tegorami tilian lgoromo.

Date: Dec 7, 2004

Thank you Gual Mekele ,my dear sister.You told this Banda ,hiding in a fake amharic name,"ATLABACHEW", and his cousin who started the discussion ,the right things.The are many peoplewho speak the same language but do not have the same recent histoy and,therefore,live in different countries.They ,however,repect and support each other.The only exception in the world are these thankless BANDA -HAMASHENs,who hate Tigrayans,evenif they speak and write in our language.If they knew the history of how,beginning the reign of Emperor Amdestsion Amharic started to emerge,these BAndas,would`nt wonder why Tigrayans speak it happily and fluently.They sure know that from now on we will never consider these filthy subhumans our relatives.I am extremely mad that Meles forgot the recent past and is calling them' Fraternal"I know it is politics that he is talking.I know Meles how much he hates these SDI-GUHAFAT -ZEREE.

Hear me my fellow Ethiopas ,never allow call these BANDA-HAMASHENS to deceive as friends.Never allow them to use Amharic names,yhe sacred language of Abyssinia&Ethiopia at large.

Last point!!!!!!

Even if the border is demarcated;1.you will have to finally lose Assab,Shelalo,sheshebit,awgaro,BYAgundi,Sitana,etc,etc....up to maiteb,period.No negotiation about this,even if Meles gives you Bademe now,which,Idoubt he will.

2.YOu will never make a penny from Ethiopa from illegal trade.

3.Nakfa Will have no value in Ethiopia,Even as toilet paper

(Unlike the UNME soldiers ,who are protecting you from angry Tigray-militia and,used the NACFA as toilet paper)

Date: Dec 7, 2004

uncivilised not different from animals

I wonder to what extent can people hate eachother.Wodienies are coming again to life.

-Be proud as a human being

-try to overcome your inferiority feelings,cause that was the main reason for the previuos war

-Both Eritreans and Tigrayans didnt benefit from hate

-Fact is Eritrea is a sovereign nation with its all ports.Never dream again of it

-tigray is part of ethiopia you should to realize it---

-dont shy to speak your language.even if it sounds comic

-fight on against lies

-dont cheat yourself

-ask yourself why TPLF is created

-fight your own dictatorial TPLF first before you pointing your fingers towards north.funny but truth

MLLT is still in office

and master to speak and write your own language first

nfatkum atsryu izi wo dHankum neighbours

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Date: Dec 7, 2004

Gual Mekele and Abraham:

Dear guys:

Please don't be bitter with Every Hamasien. Don't forget that there are many prudent Hamasiens and Tigreans who don't like this nasty things between brothers. There is no collective categorization. It is good to remind you that there are (and there were) many tigrians but memebers of EPLF or other Opposition organizations and vice versa with TPLF. What is the difference between Berhe from Adigrat and Berehe from Adikeih or Senafe. What is the Difference between Kidanemariam from Shire, Adwa or Axum and Kidanemariam from Adiquala, Mendefera or Dibaruwa. Nothing. It is very surprising for me what you are saying. Aren't you citizens of the countries of your residence at this time. They granted you this previledge probably after living for few years. You don't learn at least something from that. Shame.

You don't have relatives who married with Eritreans? Yes, at least you have one...or you know many. Shame. Please stop trying to look the horizon through a small hole. Do you think that who will hart by this none sense oral skirmishes? Only and Only the Tigray-Tigrign people. Your own sisters and brothers. Please, if you can, contribute towards noble objective which is reconceliation of brothers with brothers and sisters with sisters. You can contriburte to the peace and stability of this unfortunate people. Otherwise, don't waste your valuable time by putting gas to the fire. Which undesirable. You know this deep in your heart.

What is the regional state of Tigray without Eritrea and Eritrea with out Tigray. Why don't you ask your grand mothers or fathers about the history of Alula in Eritrea. Don't you know that Alula is rememberd by his judicious and fair administration: "Fitihi kem Alula, Ekhli kem adi bara".

Refer history, the best Eritreans are those with Tigrean origin. I can give you million examples. What is Mekele for an Eritrean what is Asmara or Masawa for a Tigrean. It is indeed their natural place whether you like it or not. This is natural bondage no body breaches let alone you sitting in your comfortable diaspora. Guys, don't waste your time preaching undialectic and unrealistic phenomena. Unlike you, many Tigreans and Eritrean are feeling bitter and shame about the sense less war and dis agreement of siblings. Every body is bitter about those killed young people and destroyed properties from all sides. These young people could feed millions of people. They are perished for nothing. Who was harmed? It is the same people, the siblings. Tigrigna is your common language, it can be nurtured like any language, that is the expression of your identity and you should be proud of it whether you speak it or not.

This matter is making me sick. Please stop this and change your mind with a better realism and prudence. The respected and humane Tigrean Dr. Tewoldebrhan Gerbreigziabiher ones said, humanity is on the march for common values. Dr. Tewolderbran did a lot of thing to build Eritreans in the world of academia. There are many noble people from both sides. By saying what you are saying, you are making many these likes sick and demoralized.

I can say a lot but let me stop here. Please don't take this personal but just an advice for good intent.

Wish you all your best

Yohannes

Date: Dec 7, 2004

Why are Enderta and Raya do not like to speak Tigrigna should be the question. Becuase we other Tigreans with dignity used to speak Tigrigna and will speak for ever Tigrigna. But our foolish brothers and sisters always give their service to Shoa and Meniliks Junk.

We are people of Tigrigna speaking and we are proud to do So. We are trying hard to pool the Raya and Endertas to speak Tigrigna.

But the are slow to Undserstand the usefulness of Tigrigna.

Date: Dec 7, 2004

MENILIK THE MONKEY LOOKING AND UN APE OF SHOA IS STILL TRYING TO SPLIT US AND HIS VENOMOUS CHILDREN ARE STILL AMBITIOUS TO RULE OUR BELOVED ERITREA.

WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT TEGARU THEY CHOSED TO BE WITH APE.

Date: Dec 7, 2004

TSEGAB LEMMA. I KNOW YOU YOU ARE IN AUSTRALIA. YOU ARE STILL LITTLE KID. YOU STILL WANTB TO GIVE YOUR TAX TO MENILIK.

I KNOW YOU LONG LONG TIME AGO. AND I CAN TELL WHO YOU ARE BASED ON HOW YOU REACTED TO THE QUESTION.

WE WERE IN UNVERSTIY TOGETHER. YOU WERE DERGIST. WHO DENIED TO BE TIGREAN. I KNOW YOU YOU SPEAKING AMHARIC ONLY AMHARIC. PRETENDING AS AMHARA. YOU USED TO SAY YOU ARE FROM ADDIS TOO.

YOU LACKED SELF CONFIDENCE SINCE THEN.

I WILL HELP YOU TO UNDERTAND YOURSELF.

WAY ZE LEBA

Date: Dec 7, 2004

To my brothers and sisters, Endertas and Rayans

Don’t be foolish to respond to the stupid words of the Shabiya (. He tried to be a Tygrian and create a crack among Tygrians. This was Shabiya’s common move. Ignore such a stupidity.

Wodi Adaw

Date: Dec 7, 2004

i do not understand the mistake made by the graceful emperror Menilike in agreeing with italy to seceed present day eritrea from mainland Ethiopia. are not you yourself claimed to have fought for that purpose for 30 years? so where is the wrong he committed. He only did manage to give you what you asked for, to be the slaves of sellattos, but without any bloodshed.

Date: Dec 7, 2004

MENILIKS FOULT IS ONE AND SIPMLE. NUMBER ONE HE WAS A LIED. HE DID NOT FOUGHT TO KILL ITALIANS HE WAS FEUDAL LEADER AND DO NOT KNOW WHT HE SENT HIS TROOPS TO ADWA. HE SAT IN SINKATA. BUT HIS TROOPS MOST OROMOS WERE TOLD THAT HE IS IN ADWA TO INSPIRE THEM. THE TROPPS DESTROYED EVERY SINGLE VILLAGE OF ADWA.

SO MINILIK TROOPS ENDED UP BY LACK IN ADWA. THE ADAWA MARTYRS FOUGHT AGAINST ITLAY FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND HAVE STOPPED HIM ALREADY. WHEN MINILIK TROOP REACHED THE WAR WAS OVER. IT IS TRUE OTHER WARRIORS OF TIGRAY LIKE RAS MENGESHA YOHHANES FOUGHT AND HE WAS ONE OF THE WARRIORS. ALULA WAS THE OTHER GENERAL.

MINILK THE DAMN LIED AND TRIED TO CAPITALIZE TO HIS ADVANTAGE.

THAT IS WHY WE DO NOT LIKE MENILIK AND HIS JUNKS.

Date: Dec 7, 2004

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Date: Dec 7, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 7, 2004

it is easy to speak amharic and it makes us look more ethiopian than speak tigriana and look eritrean. we are ethiopians period, forget the language, the culture, etc.

Date: Dec 8, 2004

I don't understand, why some of you make it sound like this is only between Tigray and Eritrea? You know people from all over Ethiopia died in Badem, so to speak only Tigray as a separate entity is just not cool and brings another division. And I don't think that is what we need in Ethiopia right now. We already have enough division.

Let me tell you this, Amharas, Gurageas, Oromos etc died in Adwa, Badem. Don't make it sound like its only the Tigrayans who died in both wars.

As for Menlik betraying Yohaness. First let me state this. I have a great respect for both Emperors. Honestly actually Yohaness is my favorite.. for the simple reason that he was more diplomatic in his approach and his love for Ethiopia.

But I hear this a lot mostly from Tigrayians and Eritrean that Menlik is a snitch... May be so .. but don't forget what Yohaness did to Tewedros too.. This is what the Amharas say : "Leban Leba Biserkew mene Yedenkew".

Date: Dec 8, 2004

INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.

BUT ALL SAID AND DONE, ITS AMAZING TO ME HOW MUCH HATRED AND INFERIORITY COMPLEX IS STILL OOZING FROM THE HAMASSIEN, THIRTEEN YEARS AFTER SO CALLED INDEPENDENCE.

LET THE PEOPLE OF ADWA BEAT THE ITALIANS, THE ITALIANS HAD OCCUPIED THE WHOLE OF TIGRAY, AND THE GOVERNOR RAS MENGESHA YOHANNES WAS STAYING AT THE HOUSE OF RAS WELLE IN YEJJU. THATS WHY ALL ETHIOPIANS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY HAD GONE THERE TO FIGHT THE ITALIANS.I MIGHT ALSO ADD, MY GREAT GRAND FATHER BESHA ABOYE, WENT FROM HIS HOME IN DEBRE BERHANE, NEVER MOUNTED A MULE, BUT CHANGED HORSES, ALL THE WAY TO ADWA, WITH THE ABEGAZ FIT. GEBEYEHU, THE TWO WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN BREAKING THE BACK BONE OF THE ITALIAN ARMY. HE DIED IN BATTLE, AND WAS BURIED IN AXUM. BUT OF COURSE THAT DOESNT MATTER, THESE DAYS HAMASSIEN LIES HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO HISTORICAL FACTS

AS FOR THE PEOPLE OF TIGRAY SPEAKING IN AMHARIC, I DONT SEE ANY PROBLEM IN IT. SINCE YOU ARE SUCH A HISTORIAN, SEEK SOME OF THE LETTERS OF THE EMPEROR YOHANNES AND READ THEM. I HAVE READ HUNDREDS BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE WRITTEN IN OTHER THAN AMHARIC.

THE PROBLEM OF ETHIOPIA IS NOT BEING FROM THIS PROVINCE OR THAT, THE PROBLEM OF ETHIOPIA IS THE EVIL HAMASSIEN SNAKE, WHO WAS A CREATION OF EUROPEANS FOR ONE PURPOSE AND ONE PURPOSE ONLY WHICH IS THE DESTRUCTION OF ETHIOPIA.THATS WHY IN 1991, WHEN THIS SO CALLED GOVERNMENT OF ETHIOPIA WAS STUFFED DOWN THE THROAT OF OUR PEOPLE BY THE WESTERN POWERS, ITS FIRST ACT WAS TO FACILITATE THE RECOGNITION OF ERITREA S INDEPENDENCE. THE SECOND WAS TO IMPOSE AN ETHNIC BASED POLITICS TO DIVIDE AND ENSLAVE THE ETHIOPIAN PEOPLE. THEY ARE SO DUMB, THIS HATEFUL HAMASSIEN BANDAS, THEY CANT EVEN COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW. THEY HAD TO GO AND USE THE OLD ETHNIC MAP OF THEIR COLONIAL MASTER BENITO MUSSOLINI. BUT HOW MANY JEWS WILL WEAR A YELLOW STAR OF DAVID AGAIN. THE ETHIOPIAN PEOPLE WERE FORCED TO HAVE THIS HATEFUL AND VICIOUS DEED DONE AGAINST THEM. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ,IT HAS ALL FAILED. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEY, LIKE THE MASTER DUCE, FAILED TO UNDERSTAND THE STRONG LOVE OF COUNTRY PRESENT IN THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF ETHIOPIA.

BUT THE FACT IS, THE ONLY THING THAT IS PREVENTING THEIR DESTRUCTION IS MELES, THEY KNOW HIS DAYS ARE NUMBERED, THEY ARE RESTLESS. HENCE, THEY COME IN HERE TO SPREAD THE USAUAL LIES HOPING TO AVERT THE INEVITABLE.

DEAR HAMASSIEN, PRAY FOR MELES, FOR WHEN HE DIES YOU WILL TOO.

ETHIOPIA WILL BE AVENGED

LONG LIVE TIGRAY, YOU WONT GET EVEN ONE INCH I ASSURE YOU.

LONG LIVE SHOA, WELLO, GOJJAM, ARSI,GONDAR, HARRARGE,ILLIBABUR,WELLEGA,BALE,

SIDAMO,GAMMO GOFA,AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST THE HOME GAKKI SEROCHO KEFFA

DEATH TO HAMASSIEN, THE FATE OF THE TUTSI OF RWANDA AWAITS YOU

GENA HAMASSIEN YET NEBERE NEW YEMIBALEW, KOMALAM BANDA

Date: Dec 8, 2004

to the last person, i guess he doesnt understand the Q. again why dont you use tigrina instead of amharic? just simple question.

1. is it easier for you to speak other languages other than yours?

2. are you ashamed to speak your language so you want to look like others?

3. do you want to get accepted by others by pretending like them?

or 4. you dont like your identity?

Date: Dec 8, 2004

Daniel it is an excellent question and it is problem of many Tigreans especially Mekele town, Raya, and those who live in abroad and origin of those places. They feel they are pleasing their old masters. They feel important. I do not haver problem if they speak to some one who do not know Tigrigna and only know Amharic. and if there is anything you want make him understand you can use any language. Other than Tigrigna. But they like to say Amharic. Totally they have problem.

See I am from Adwa. I speak and write in Tigrigna. If there are any who do not know I may use any language which I can speak clear.

Thank you,

Date: Dec 8, 2004

As Russian was to USSR, so is Amharic to Ethiopia.

I think Tigreans should not take this ligthtly.

By the way, Tigrinya is flourishing in Eritrea and you should be very happy about it. If it was not for us this ancient language would have been dead as a dodo by now.

Ah Erina meArina.

Date: Dec 9, 2004

Dear Zemen and the like,

What are you trying to poise here and there? That is not new trick. It is the usual ugly old trick of the sick people from that community. And now has reached it's max or turning pont.If you you are not changing mode or the style of the game at least, believ me you are just calling your end otherwise no single person will get wonder at this moment by what ever you try to dig out. Just for the very reason that the sickness of EPLF has very specially featurity which could be easly identified or detected from the other sicknesses...i.e.degrading Ethiopians social and moral value and bostering from nulle. You know why? The first political strategy agitator of EPLF's founders was an Egyptian whom was graduate/1st degree/ of pedagogy and later chanced to serve the Egyptian national secuirity service called Ahmed Salim.

I am affraid to level this for the whole community from Bahre-Negasi province of Ethiopia. Because I knew my self personnally that there are still many whom they don't lose their identity though they have been suffering by ill treatments from all directions for so long; earlier by the Derg at the same time by the EPLF, and currently by TPLF at the same time by EPLF, just for reason they belong to that area but were not and are not easy binders of false political projects or misdeads of their norm.

However, those of you whom you are restless to carry poisen to our society and that with hard lay,completely un-existance picture of dilusion,and bosting with dry arrogancy, fictional arrguments with illogical presentations if you brain to analayse or to read what brings a change arround you it is over... No more illusions could work good or serve your idiot mission, which is to destroy Ethiopia if doesn't call your bad day.

Is it really you believ your selve or that you think you are better speaker of Tigrigna than the Tegaru them selves? And do you mean that you are more than the Tegaru, that you are proude of it? How??? Becouse you call your selve Eritrea instead of Bahre-Negasi or Kebessa-Tigray. Because you oftenly mix Arabic or Italian words when you are speaking your mother-thange, then you thought or you considered that you are using a more developed one. Is it because your national language is Arabic in the near future as the plan seated by EPLF, or is it because you are a member of the Arabic league claiming that you belong to it instead of keeping your identity being Abyssinian. If you want to know the truth, Amharic is not different language from Tigrigna you fool! It was born from Tigrigna in Tigray it self and developed in the center with the interaction of Oromigna. It is the national language of the country called Ethiopia. It is writen in Geez fonts which is similar to Tigrigna. So tell me, what could be the cause for being a shame to speak it daily. You get to be ashamed to speak Amharic and you are not when you are trying to an Italian? Good logic!! Very interesting argument!!!

I don't blame you! I can see and read you between the lines of your arrguments. You are among those whom grown up in the fields of lies and fantasy fiction feeding centers. what you could vommit is sure going to be what you have been drunk or ate. And what you know is the EPLF fantasy fiction which grown up feeding instead of milk. So we shouldn't belame but we should pray for you, if God could help you. Amen!

Date: Dec 9, 2004

TO DANIEL AND HIS ZEMED,

I DONT SPEAK TIGRIGNA, BECAUSE I DONT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. I GREW UP IN ADDIS ABABA, I HAVE AFAR, OROMO, AMHARA AND YES TIGRE BLOOD IN ME. ACTUALLY I AM A DESCENDENT OF SEHUL MIKAEL, A TIGRAYAN, TRUE RAS AND ARISTOCRAT. COMPARED TO BANDA WOLDE MIKAEL SOLOMON, WHO CLAIM TO BE A RAS, WHICH WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY AN ITALIAN KING.

THEREFORE, MY DEAR HAMASSIEN KEEP COMING IN HERE AND TRY TO SPREAD THE USUAL LIES. BUT TIME IS RUNNING SHORT, U KNOW IT SO DO I, AND THATS WHY THE FRANTIC EFFORT TO KEEP A DEAD POLICY IN PLACE BETWEEN MELES AND ADE ISSAYAS.

ETHIOPIA WILL BE AVENGED

DEATH TO KOMALAM BANDA HAMASSIEN.

Date: Dec 9, 2004

To Gobena, Ziom and the like.

You may have all the bloods of all the races as a chemistry Titration experiment. Or you are the Ethiopian food beyeaynetu. That is for yourself. If you speak tigrigna because your honour your Tigrignan root I welcome you. If you prefer to speak Amharic that is your choice. And I will not hate you.

Ziom. I like my language Tigrigna and I will write about it, speak abot it and what nots. If I meet you I will not speak to in Amharic because you are very evil.

I like to seak and work in Tigringa weather you like it or not. Amharic is at the verge of death. No body will spaek it except to communicate with deaf Amharic speaker. So campaign to make Tigray and Eritrean our beloved brothers to make us speak Amharic. You will fail. Not only that you will be back with pile of Shame.

I wish I was good to speak Afar or Ormoigna. I like to speak those languages than nasty Amharic.

Chaw.

Date: Dec 9, 2004

Dear Zemed,

you are exactly the sort of person what I have been expecting you would be alike. And if you would ask in direct approach with out bostering and that just nuke and null, I for my self I could be helpful at least in sorting out what could be your problems. I will start from here, you get to learn it first. Let me help also in teaching.

Lesson A) "Chaw" is not Tigrigna, and is never used by Tegaru or at least is not admerable. They may instead say " Dehan kunu,kuni, kun" or " Liwam khine, Liwam mealti ..."

Note : - A very important advise which you should never forget again: you shouldn't try speaking Tigrigna with tipical Tegaru while mixing Italian words to it. What it mean that to us is quiet different from you people could immagen it. If some one is found in such, it goes to extent you will be called "Bilshow Melhassu", and it is realy offending. So what I mean here is one among the reasons that you couldn't be accummudated or intertained a communication in Tigrigna with Tegaru could be this fact. So would please try to see your selv first before you comment on others.

Date: Dec 9, 2004

Listen up! Tegaru

There is no point in your playing possum… you got to speak the language that you claim to own.

My feeling is for far too long you have been under the Amhara rulers' thumb, so I think you have developed a serious inferiority complex.

Now do not go and talk about Eritrea this and Eritrea that, admit you have a problem and do some thing about it.

Date: Dec 9, 2004

hey gusy, don't be fooled by the none sense and futile Shaebian mission to distabilize Ethiopia and Ethiopians. Well they have no choice! thye cann't do anything more than that.

you stupid Shaebia, don't you still get it? Aspire for the .... But you will end up desperate. Didn't you see how united the Ethiopians, when your brothers and sisters and may be fathers were crushed during their sensless attempt to grab Ethiopian teritory?

Weis Bitmarm gena algebahm? fetenaw malef akateh? Kalgebah techemari tutorial yisethal!!!

Mihlam dew aytebl, zihawey!

Date: Dec 9, 2004

You Eritrians, you have already applied to join the Arab League. The US knows this and you know which category the US has listed your country. So why bother Ethiopia the land of the Black Jews and Christians? Most of your leaders in power now were trained and financed by terrorist countries like Syria Even now on your government’s official website your emblem is camel flanked by Arabic As you are now openly telling us, your long-term objective is to break-up Ethiopia in to 2 or 3 small states. You will die with your evil dream. We know who gave you this evil agenda. You are still financed by terrorist Arab states and you want to weaken the only long time traditional and trusted ally of the USA and the West in East Africa-Christian and Jewish Ethiopia. You will never succeed. Ethiopians will fight back hard and decisively.

Also remember what President George W. Bush said 2 years ago: “The US will not tolerate any attack on Ethiopia!” Understand why? You may not understand it now! We the Jews of Ethiopia (wherever our communities are) will work hard to keep Ethiopia safe. My advice to you is: be good negibours, don’t try to destabilize Ethiopia. Mark my word; you will lose your own country in the process.

The enemies of Israel, the US and Ethiopia will be hunted down and destroyed wherever they are!

Ethiopian Jew

Date: Dec 10, 2004

To Ziom,

If you real;ly mean it to say it is problem of me to mix chaw in my tigrigna. I appreciate you your concerns. But take a chance to teach those not who mix but totally feel shame to speak tigrigna.

So lrt me tell your basic problem is you speak Tigrigna as a your right as a niation part of Ethiopia. My stand point including I will avoid speaking "Chaw" is I feel very proud to use Tigrigna. NoR I hate other languages but I condemn those totally endaevour to relate themselves to the Amharas. Even the Amharas do not reqlly respect them when they use Amharic.

To surprise also I am not a person who do not know how Amharic developed. Its root is Tigrigna. But to see people using as preistige not as medium of communication makes me mad. And I have very very little respect them.

So if your comment is really concern for Tigrigna I respect. If it is coparizon the Erie Tigrigna gossips I have little respect to uou too.

So it is up to you in either stands.

Once again take a chance to correct those who completely lost wrongly.

Be Tigrigna. ACHAHEYOM ZETEFEU MEARAM ZEGEDISEKA ENTEKONE YEHYISH KAB AB HADEN KILITEN KALAT ETEDHIB.

Date: Dec 10, 2004

is it all about the forum?

Date: Dec 10, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 10, 2004

Hi fom somebody who is rational,so please inorder to give a sujjestion on sombody else try to realise ur mind,and then rationally bombard an idea useful not only for u but also for all people.On doing these u will be successful on ur ongoing dat to day activitie.So instead of insulting people try to give them advice and even try to use ur time on useful things instead of bothering on this silly things,if u have mind.

Date: Dec 10, 2004

quote: Hi I'm somebody else who thirsty love among people,or rational people,so my friend try not to bother ur time on this silly things instead try to help ur country by creating useful ideas or creative ideas.Actually even if u have got problem with people try to give them advice instead of insulting that gives u a solase to ur disturbed mind.try to bring some changes from ur backward thoughts of idea,b/s once it may hurt u. bye bye
Originally posted by: ENATEFALETNA
"TSEGAB LEMMA. I KNOW YOU YOU ARE IN AUSTRALIA. YOU ARE STILL LITTLE KID. YOU STILL WANTB TO GIVE YOUR TAX TO MENILIK. I KNOW YOU LONG LONG TIME AGO. AND I CAN TELL WHO YOU ARE BASED ON HOW YOU REACTED TO THE QUESTION. WE WERE IN UNVERSTIY TOGETHER. YOU WERE DERGIST. WHO DENIED TO BE TIGREAN. I KNOW YOU YOU SPEAKING AMHARIC ONLY AMHARIC. PRETENDING AS AMHARA. YOU USED TO SAY YOU ARE FROM ADDIS TOO. YOU LACKED SELF CONFIDENCE SINCE THEN. I WILL HELP YOU TO UNDERTAND YOURSELF. WAY ZE LEBA"

Date: Dec 10, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrig

Date: Dec 10, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 10, 2004

THANK YOU DANIEL FOR RAISING THIS QUESTION. IT IS BASIC TO ME AS I HAVE SAID IT AND AS A WITNESS LIKE WHO FACED PEOPLE TRYING TO DROP AND CATCH OTHER LANGUAGE THAN THEIR OWN, WHICH IS RICH, EFFECTIVE LANGUAGE. IT IS PURELY LACK OF CONFIDENCE AND RESULT OF CONFUSION AND INFERIORITY COMPLEX.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. I POSTED MY NAME AND PROFILE LOOKING SOME ONE. AND I USED TIGRIGNA WORDS SIMPLY BECAUSE I FOUND IT IT EXPLAINED BEAUTIFULLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.

SOME ONE TIGREAN REACTED TO ME WHY I USED TIGRIGNA AND FURTHER HER COMMENT. TIGRIGNA IS NOT FOR LOVE BUT FOR INSULTING. SHE IS NOT FROM DIFFERENT ETHNIC BUT SHE IS A TIGREAN. DO NOT YOU THINK THIS IS SICKNESS. AND THERE ARE MANY OF HER TYPE.

I TOLD HER THANK YOU AND TIPPED HER MY LITTLE ADVISE. I TOLD SHE WONT GET ANY RESPECT FROM AMHARA BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED THAT WAY. BUT I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WEITH HER TO SPEAK AMHARIC WITH AMHARIC SPEAKERS. OTHERS TOO CAN SPEAK WHAT EVER. BUT WITH ME TIGRIGNA SPEAKER I DO NOT THINK THEY HAVE TO. IF THEY I WILL NOT GIVE TEM AN EAR.

HEY GUYS WHO DO NOT SPEAK REALLY DO NOT. BE IT OROMO, ERITREAN ARAB, SUDAN, TIGRE, AFAR AMAHRA I WILL TRY MY BEST TO LEARN TO SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE IF NOT WE MAY USE WHAT EVER IS CONVINIENT. COULD BE AMAHARIC, ENGLISH, JAPANESE OR ANY .........

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Originally posted by: daniel
"Dear you all responders I thank for those of you who try to answer my question with out putting any steriotypes and hate,...... etc. When I asked the question my intention was just to know why Tigreans dont use thier own language to communicate with people of the same language and choose to speak other languages be it Amharic, English, French, Arabic, ....etc. I was trying to find out, Is it harder than other languages? or something else that of i dont know of. As i have mentioned earlier i have meet tigreans all over the world and i haven't met any one willing to talk in Tigrina. I am one of those people who love to speak tigrina because i am not that good at it and want to improve it. I was amazed one time a Tigreans girl offered to teach me other language than her own which is unusuall. i met many people form around the globe they usually get exited to teach you one ward form their language. but............ Any ways thanks and God bless"

Date: Dec 10, 2004

RE: RE: is it all about the forum?

Date: Dec 10, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 11, 2004

THE QUESTION IS WHY YOU TALK TO TIGRIGNA SPEAKER IN AMHARIC. IT IS NOT WHY DID YOU SPEAK AMHARIC. IF YOU KNOW ME I AM TIGREAN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO ME IN AMHARIC OR ENGLISH OR ITALY OR JAPANESE. IN ORDER TO MAKE UNDERSTAND THE OTHER GUY WHO DID NOT SPEAK TIGRIGNA.

Date: Dec 11, 2004

tigrees u guys have hard language ditch it and join your brothers langua amharic. amharic is cool and sexy while tigree is for soldiers and farmers.

ye addis lij

Date: Dec 11, 2004

My friend zemed,

I can imagine some tigreans may prefer to speak amharic than hamasiengna, for me our tigrigna and your's are two distinct languages. So it is probable that if you(eritreans) do not understand our tigrigna, they prefer to talk to you in amharic for two reasons:
1) may be they don't speak hamasiengna
2) even if they speak hamasiengna, they prefer to speak amharic which is they country's official language.
So where is the problem? Have we ever asked you to speak tigray's tigrigna??? No, you have to think of two different languages (our's and your's)

Selamawit

Date: Dec 11, 2004

Hi Admasu When our women say it make mad. When you say it feels foolish. May be you are foolish.

Date: Dec 12, 2004

Hi Zemed,

Our Tigrean brothers and sisters tried to give you the answer as to why they sometimes prefer to speak to you, Eritrians, in "Amharic". But you don't get it. Do you? The answer is again: You Eritrians speak bastardized Tigrina, mixed with Italian Arabic, etc, vertually mixing it with every country's language that colonized you in the past". So you don't have anything of your own. Everything is bastardized inculding you culture. Our Tigrean brothers speak the original language and they are proud of it. So please go away from this Wbsite and talk about how to cook pasta for your colonial masters!

Alora!

Date: Dec 12, 2004

Yielma, Ahahaha you make me guys always lough. First I am not Eritrean. I am Tigraway. And it is not an answer when your favourites said that the prefer to speak to Eritrean in Amharic. If they think it is appropriate that is fine. You said Eritreans have got a bastardized Tigrigna it is up to you to say tha. No problem with me to make weather Eritrean Tigrigna or Tigray Tgrigna more coherent and original. I love that to happen.

But when some one failed to speak his own language to make an Eritrean feell something is a weakest reasoning. I want to say to those confused to get out of that confusion. Neither Amharigna nor Eritrean will make you better. My whole point is any Tigrayway should look Tigraway. And should speak Tigrigna proudly. Failing to do so wont bring any fullfilliment in your life Tegaru. Be tigreans forever.

Other is Yeilma note that '' PIASSA'' "MERKATO" KAZANCHIS and others are Italian words and I will tip you more others. And you will judge your words of Insult if you deserve it or not.

Date: Dec 12, 2004

amharic is easy that's why my friend.

Date: Dec 12, 2004

excellent answer Addis but you got to know togrigna. And i know you will appreciate it.

Date: Dec 12, 2004

Zemed,

Don't try to fool us by saying you are a Tigrian. You are not. You are an Eritrian who is trying to divide Ethiopians along ethnic lines. It doesn't work. You have tried it before. You should have learnet from what happened in the last war. The problem with you guys is that you always think you can fool people. "The smartness of a person depends on his ablity to learn from past mistakes" But you guys don't learn. You are just like a parrot. You say the same thing over and over again, until it reaches the level of nausating. I don't know why you guys have such a defunct brain!

Date: Dec 13, 2004

Foolish and arrogant you are still with your old tricks. You cannot make Ertrean. As far as I wanted to be Ethiopian and Tigrigna speaker it is my right and I am. But no respect and zero tolerance to [ersons like you dam, dam , dam dam damn............:

Date: Dec 13, 2004

Zemed, you remembered me a friend of mine whom I missed him so long time ago. Perhaps you could be your selve, though I can't be sure. He was always pretending in saying that he is the righteous, the strongest, the smartest and the beloved one. He always tells us even how H loves him and T also, but never if he himselv does ... and one day he was chanced to stay with another friend who is Tipical Tigreway at a sigle room for a quiet considerable hours. So they have to chat, but all the time they started talking in Tigrigna at any topics for chating at that particular moment, had cided them to a sireous disgreement. And when I reached in the place where the two of my friends stayed barking to each in strange mode, the one who looks like to you asked me stating " Smae Ziom, eza wedi mish tigrigna tisareb eya eylkani?" then the other one with no tolorance to wait to hear my replay, he told him " Anta guzy wedi sebeiti ! Men eyu ab'suy tenes'tay wo'dma wedi mish? Chemlakh! Kechemaliko do'ta hizi?... and then causes them to even more serious fight. And later though we overcome and settled their confilict, I still rememered this incident, and that one of my friend also has never intend to speak in tigrigna to the Tipical one until we depart each of us from the path where were been living together.

Date: Dec 13, 2004

OK WHAT EVER BUT NO POINT AND DOESNOT DESCRIBE ME ANY WAY. SO FORGET ABOUT ME AND PASS MY ADVISE TO THOSE WHO FORGOT THEIR ROOTS. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THEM TAKE MY ADVISE IF NOT THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM SPEAKING AMHARIC WONT SAVE YOU FROM ANY THING AND WONT ADD YOU ANY VALUE OR SPICE OF LIFE.

DEHAN KUN

Date: Dec 13, 2004

I THINK TIGRAY ESPECIALLY AGAME REGION AND HAMASHIEN ASMARA REGIONS LANGUAGE ARE BOTH TIGRINA WITH ACCENT ON EACH OTHER. SO WE SHOULDN'T BELITTLE EACH OTHER IF WE REALLY LIKE OUR LANGU AND ORIGIN. TIGRINA SPEAKERS ON BOTH SIDES WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF OUR OWN ACCENT AND DEVELOP IT AND LANGUAGE DEVELOPS FAST AND ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE A WELL RESPECTED LANGUAGE WITH GRAMMER AND EVERTHING. IT LOOKS LIKE ENGLISH AMERICAN, BRITISH, AUSSIE, CANADAN ETC. IT IS ALL THE SAME BUT DIFFERENT ACCENT WHICH MAKE IT RICH AND DIVERSE.

SO THOSE OF YOU TIGRINA SPEAKERS BY ORIGIN STOP CALLING NAMES AND DECLARING YOURS IS BETTER. IF IT IS SOME THING THAT CAN COMMUNICATE YOU EASILY RESPECT IT AND MOVE ON. NAME CALLING DOEN'T HELP THE LANGUAGE AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

PEACE

Date: Dec 13, 2004

Dear Selam,

Thankyou for your suggestion. And I do believ that no one here is in a wondering stage of the existance of different accents in any languages. But I was just trying to illustrate their ill arrogancy if it could help that they can see at themselves a bit.

Date: Dec 14, 2004

Now coming back to the original point, why is that people from Tigray find it difficult to converse in the language that they call theirs?

Why, oh why? I call this linguistic suicide. And pray tell me when does one plan to commit a self harm? When he has lost it.

OK, that is pretty much the pronblem, I think. And the solution is,...

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN THE WEST OUTSIDE THE AMHARIC STRONGHOLD SHOULD COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR FELLOW TIGRAYANS IN TIGRINYA, AND NOT IN AMHARIC. FOR PETE'S SAKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN POWER IN THAT COUNTRY OF YOURS!

ANTA EMBERDO MIS SEBYE ZUZAREB ZELEKHU...KAN TIGRINYA GEDIFKAS "ANCHI-M-ANCHI" MERSOM.

Date: Dec 14, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrig

Date: Dec 14, 2004

RE: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?

Date: Dec 14, 2004

One of the things people from Tigray used to whine about in the past was that their ethnic group was undermined in the Ethiopian socio-economic make up. During the dergue days, I had friends from Tigray talking endlessly about the golden era of Tigray under the rule of king Yohannes more than hundred years ago. At long last, after a series of non-Tigrayan rulers in Ethiopia the TPLF got to power and naturally the expectation from Tigrayan and non-Amhara Ethiopians was massive. As you can understand being in power is more than putting a Tigrinya speaking person in top position, although that can help also. Indeed if Tigray is in power in Ethiopia, one expects at the minimum the restoration of parity between Amharic and Tigrinya languages. Because language is the bearer of culture of its speakers, putting a language up on the pedestal raises the culture and customs of its indigenous speakers too. By my reckoning, Tigray is too busy playing a derby match against Eritrea and in the process it has taken its eyes off the main issue- i.e, the survival of the core values of its identity. A road here and a well there are good, but not good enough.

Shame on you, Tigarayans! 13 years on and you are still speaking your previous masters language even among yourselves. What about dreaming, do you do it in Amharic too? I can see you sharpening your pens for a retort, please go ahead. But I am sure you know deep inside you that you feel empty, as the soul of your core values is getting eroded fast. You used to speak in Tigrinya and write to each other in Amharic in the past (that was bad but you had an excuse). Now, despite all the advantages you have, I hear that you have graduated to speaking as well as writing in Amharic among yourselves even in the West…? This is a serious case of inferiority complex (and I will rate it as v.v.v.v.bad).

The way out is for you to look up North to Eritrea, where Tiginaya is booming. In the past it was to get military support, but now it is even more serious. You see, even under occupation, you can retain your values, though with difficulty. But having found a throne for your arse, you could not save a room for your tongue. If for nothing else, just to save your identity you should co-operate with Eritrea. I rest my case.

Date: Dec 14, 2004

Moksi...

First of all, you get to know that we will be very glad to see Tigrigna booming or flourishing by our brothers, if realy is booming there. Where as in concern to knowing our history I can asure you 100% with all ways of proves that you may think could justifay, we don't seek your teaching aid. We are as we are just virginal. We are not easy going and easy turning history makers too. So you better stop ready your fictions to us please.

And the last point you try to hock about is, your request for Tigreans to seek separation as such as Eriteans did. Why do you want to advise for sesesion? If that is giving you good or better solutions for your problems, then what makes you to get mad now?

Thankyou, we learn many including the unexpecteds while you are in this situation even that all with our maney and blood, If you could have been in a better situation than we are now, what could be your reaction to wards us,...God knows. But man can immagen also .....

Stay well.