Post Info TOPIC: Q. why is it tigreans don't like to use tigrigna?
Moksi

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Thank you for that link up of an interview. What I found from a little browsing in the net is that the Bible was first translated into Geez in 1450 by a man called Tesfasion from Dubaruba in present day Eritrea. May be our panelists in the interview were not best placed to exploit the knowledge base of the internet to inform us of this fact. Check it out for your self on the following book:


Margoliouth, D.S, Ethiopia (History, Geography), Ethiopian Eunuch, Ethiopian Woman; Charles, R.H, Ethiopian Version; in ed. James Hastings, A dictionary of the bible; Fourth Impression, Volume I, Edinburgh, T & T Clark, December 1901. 



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Melake

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Originally posted by: Ziom

"Moksi... First of all, you get to know that we will be very glad to see Tigrigna booming or flourishing by our brothers, if realy is booming there. Where as in concern to  knowing our history I can asure you 100% with all ways of proves that you may think could justifay, we don't seek your teaching aid. We are as we are just virginal. We are not easy going and easy turning history makers too. So you better stop ready your fictions to us please. And the last point you try to hock about is, your request for Tigreans  to seek separation as such as Eriteans did. Why do you want to advise for sesesion? If that is giving you good or better solutions for your problems, then what makes you to get mad now? Thankyou, we learn many including the unexpecteds while you are in this situation even that all with our maney and blood, If you could have been in a better situation than we are now, what could be your reaction to wards us,...God knows. But man can immagen also ..... Stay well. "

 But believe me they will not lesson or sense what ever may write. This is Shaebias horse!

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dawit

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To me, It does not matter whether they prefer to speak amharik or tigrigna. Because I know for sure the Tgreans are very proud people. even though, they are Ethiopians, i trully believe they are the most close familly to ERITREANs. they speak the same language as well as they share common culture than anybody  in this world of ours. the only  differnce  that i think is,because of the modern poletics we are two seperate country.


few years back, i use to live in Adua, by the way great city and great people. as any body can tell you great SUWA too. when i was living in Adua, one day i went to ENDA SUWA to chut and to drink SUwa, and a person that i know called me ASHA HAMASIANAY and i gave him a smile and said Hi, and mingle with my freinds. anather persen goes to say, why do we get mad when the ERITREANS call as AGAME but they smile when we call them ASHA HAMASIAN. and eveybody laughed and continued the conversation. the reason i manshend this is, some (TEGREANS) will call as AShA AND some(ERitREAn) will call you agame for genaretions to come. therefore, the best solution is to ignor the words i manshened and concentreat on our simillarities and work together. furthermore, as much as i love Tigray, i want you to accept reality that ther is  a country calle ERITREA with its borders and people north of TIGRAY and live with it, work hard, be truthfull and work for better TIGRAY. as i see it your leaders are not truthfull to the people of TGRAY. unless one is living under the dark, your leaders are decieving you. as the saying goes ( MAY GUAGAs NI ADUA YI ATRALEN) KEM THIBAHAL, you know your leaders and dont let full you.


 



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Ziom

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Dear Dawit,


Thank you for the tenderness you have toward us. And here, we know better than any one could tell about, about our leaders. But are your leaders different one? If yes then I wish to hear about, and await you to see your replay. Du you mean that your leaders are not cheating you and are better in serving to the puplic? I am realy eager to hear the differences and what it makes to it.



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Yohannes

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To Zion and Melake:


Please you must be realistic. Please you must be matured. Past events have already done and we shouldn't briing them back. We know what was the situation. Yes, we have to be realistic and accept that Tigrigna was suppressed in Tigrai. There are many reasons for that be it historical, political, and other impacts. But now we are in different situation.


Memhir Gebreigziabiher, Tigrigna Teacher from SOS High school Mekele and Ato Tekie Tesfay, the author of the comprehensive Tigrigna Dictionary from Asmara, were invited guests in VOA Tignrigna Program. The topic was about the historical background and the current development of Tigrigna Language. These two gentle men, explained everything in detail. I recommend you to listen to that. You can get it in the VOA archives. I am proud to witness that Memhir Gebreigziabher was my Amrahric teacher when I was in grade 10 and 11. He said, I quote, " Tigrigna was unfortunately suppressed in Tigray unlike in Eritrea. This was partially attributed to the passive interest shown by Tigrians. But now Tigrigna is under intensive revitalization process in Tigray and in booming development in Eritrea. We have Tigrigna news papers, radio programs. It is also instructional media language in schools in both Tigray and Eritrea. We are proud of this development. ...... But the struggle should continue. Language is the land mark of the identity  proud people. It is the central pillar of the culturally proud people.".


Now Zion and Melake, don't be myopic and aggressive. If Tigrignal is booming in Eirtrea, you should feel proud of that. You know what the attitude of the Amharic speaking people on you unless you want to hide that deliberately. Ask Tigrians living in Addis Ababa, Amhara Region, Oromia, and in other parts of Ethiopia. That is the fact of life. And now you are still throwing bad words on your Eritrean brothers and sisters. Do you think that the Amharas will come to your rescue at the 11th hour? No. Please don't be myopic. Don't worry this testing time will be history. You will be ashamed for what you are now writing or saying. Please, talk wisdom and be wise. bickering doesn't help.


 


Cheers


 


Yohannes  


 


 


 



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daniel

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Thank you for the answer sister. we need more like you who think rational and intellect.


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Originally posted by: SELAM
"I THINK TIGRAY ESPECIALLY AGAME REGION AND HAMASHIEN ASMARA REGIONS LANGUAGE ARE BOTH TIGRINA WITH ACCENT ON EACH OTHER. SO WE SHOULDN'T BELITTLE EACH OTHER IF WE REALLY LIKE OUR LANGU AND ORIGIN. TIGRINA SPEAKERS ON BOTH SIDES WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF OUR OWN ACCENT AND DEVELOP IT AND LANGUAGE DEVELOPS FAST AND ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE A WELL RESPECTED LANGUAGE WITH GRAMMER AND EVERTHING. IT LOOKS LIKE ENGLISH AMERICAN, BRITISH, AUSSIE, CANADAN ETC. IT IS ALL THE SAME BUT DIFFERENT ACCENT WHICH MAKE IT RICH AND DIVERSE. SO THOSE OF YOU TIGRINA SPEAKERS BY ORIGIN STOP CALLING NAMES AND DECLARING YOURS IS BETTER. IF IT IS SOME THING THAT CAN COMMUNICATE YOU EASILY RESPECT IT AND MOVE ON. NAME CALLING DOEN'T HELP THE LANGUAGE AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. PEACE"



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Moksi

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Yes we share many things including blood relationships and of course the Tigrinya language but we are two separate countries, as are US and UK or Austria and Germany. So, While we are at it "Tilyan yfatewu'mo: kab bebyatom ybelU"... do you Tigrayans mind going off the occupied properties!


We can talk about the language issue in a pleasurable time when we make peace amongst ourselves. As the NIKE ad say: JUST DO IT!



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Ziom

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 Dear yohannes and Molsi,


 Why are you tiwisying so much angles for no point. Would you please come across to my question? I am awaiting you people replay to it: I may repeat, my question here is could you tell the different qualities of your leaders?



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Yohannes

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Zion:


I invite you to read this and do soul searching.


 







Dear Netters,




I have a message to all Ethiopians: If ever a war breaks out with little Eritrea, please do not go to war to protect Melese and Tigrai. By now you have learned how those two can be hurtful when it comes to the interest of Ethiopia.




Be courgeous and ambush Melese and his puppet yes men and cadres.




If the war goes in Eritrean way all it can do is occupy Badme & Tsorna which is already ackowledged by Melese that it belongs to her. It will answer to all those crimes including annexing the port of Assab when the TPLF regime is removed from power.




Be wise!



 









To Selamawit and Dagmawi:




I think I don't need to remind you that we are in the 21st century. If you are not far from realism, you should accept that the 19th century feudal Imperial Ethiopia is deadlocked ones and forever.




What you are saying is the syndrom of proud people with empity store. The language of parasite and losers' group. If you belong to Amhara ethinic group, there are many prudent, wise and cultured Amhara who don't share this malicious and backward mentality with you. You should know that the genuine Amharas are genrous, kind and God fearing people. Probably, you are members of frankenstein group who destroy their own creator. You are failed citizens of the mighty country with wonderful people of peace and stability. You should know that gone are the days of street smartness and empity pride while struggling for daily survival in complex environment of the developed world.




Whether you like it or not, your dream of endless war between brotherly people will never happen. All sides have learned and realized that war cannot be a solution particularly between brotherly people. If you don't come to your sense and stop looking your own narrow world through a small hole, you will be condemned never to be happy until the end of your life.




Your utopian dream will fail ones and for ever. Gone are your golden years but misery for many. Unfortunately, your parents taught you this empity "Zemene Masafnt" mentality and you proceeded while living in a cutting age technology era. What absurd. In fact, I don't blame you even the so called intellectuals are preaching using the same nasty language with the assumption that this can help them to achieve their aspiration for power and parasitic life. But Ethiopia is in the hands of leaders who are far smarter than the perceptual ability of this pesudo-intellectuals.




Whether you like it or not, there will not be a war between Eritrea and Ethiopia. These people have learned a lot and never engage in war again. PM Meles will be there at the good wish of the Ethiopian People. Ethiopia will make peace with Eritrea. The Peace and brothership of the Ethio-Eritrean people will be again sedimented in the legal scripture of Medo-Pursian Kingdom (it means nobody will reverse it). If you opt to be good wishers of the Ethiopian and Eritrean people, your current mentality can be healed. You can also spare yourself from the inevitable regret unless you don't care about your people and country. This is not wishful thinking but inevitable reality.




You are malicious people who are happy at the misfoftunes of others who have continued to pay sacrifices for the peace and development of their countries.




I hope this is enough advice for you. I am sorry, I am a bit harish but you deserve it. It is good if you save yourself from your stereo type perception which will not be materialized. I hope your kids are not learning this mentality from you. God has mercy.




 




 Yohannes




 




 





: Demeke

Date: 6 hr, 6 min. ago
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Quote | ReplyRE: Ethiopians should never go to war behalf of Melese





 You are a typical Weyane/Shabia spy,who will live and die hating Amharas.




Amrharas are 4x the size of population of both Tigray and Eitrea.The same is true with land mass,only,that Amaras have more fertile land.




Tigray`s tigres and Eritrea`s tigres will never make peace with each other........it is not something they can do easily.........it is not in their blood.




Don`t forget that it is not also upto you guys  whether you make peace or war,with each other:amara Ywesnal,Ahunim,Drom,Wedefitm.




         Telba Tenchach,Amara`Stimetaw Bemukecha!!!!





: Gemetchu

Date: 3 hr, 18 min. ago
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   Selamawit, You hit the right cord and the meles agents came up with their usual amhara bashing words. I agree with you, an internal enemy is more dangerous than the external one.




Meles and his watch dogs barked over your proposal and wrote their garbage as usual. The next conflict (god save us from it) must start by clearing the palace of menelik where the most dangerous and sworn enemies of ethiopia are based. When the palace is cleared from these peace and prosperity will prevail.






: Dinsa

Date: 3 hr, 31 min. ago
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Dear Selamawit,



What a wonderful point!!



Ethiopians should think again how to get rid off Melese and pupetts. But not to go to for the second time which most likely will be launched by Eritrea.



Just ask yourself -- for what?



We already sacrified 70000 souls for nothing.



Victory has been turned into defeat by Melese and colegues.



They dig out Colonial treaties which was designed to harm Ethiopia to justify Eritrea`s claim.



They made us a lughing stock infront of the world by agreeing to rectify dead colonial treaties and arguing in front of a fake commission against Ethiopia which they claimed to represent.



Above all Melese and colegues are trying their best to permanently land lock Ethiopia.



Therefore just like Selmawit my advise to the Ethiopian people is not to go to war against Eritrea if it ignites again.



Our attention should be directed to remove Melese and colegues from power.



I even saw some opinions from netters (if it is not that of Eritreans) which are directed against the Tigrain people. Too bad. At this time we need unity but not division. Otherwise we will play on Melese`s hand.



War against Melese.


To Zion and Melake:



Please you must be realistic. Please you must be matured. Past events have already done and we shouldn't briing them back. We know what was the situation. Yes, we have to be realistic and accept that Tigrigna was suppressed in Tigrai. There are many reasons for that be it historical, political, and other impacts. But now we are in different situation.



Memhir Gebreigziabiher, Tigrigna Teacher from SOS High school Mekele and Ato Tekie Tesfay, the author of the comprehensive Tigrigna Dictionary from Asmara, were invited guests in VOA Tignrigna Program. The topic was about the historical background and the current development of Tigrigna Language. These two gentle men, explained everything in detail. I recommend you to listen to that. You can get it in the VOA archives. I am proud to witness that Memhir Gebreigziabher was my Amrahric teacher when I was in grade 10 and 11. He said, I quote, " Tigrigna was unfortunately suppressed in Tigray unlike in Eritrea. This was partially attributed to the passive interest shown by Tigrians. But now Tigrigna is under intensive revitalization process in Tigray and in booming development in Eritrea. We have Tigrigna news papers, radio programs. It is also instructional media language in schools in both Tigray and Eritrea. We are proud of this development. ...... But the struggle should continue. Language is the land mark of the identity  proud people. It is the central pillar of the culturally proud people.".



Now Zion and Melake, don't be myopic and aggressive. If Tigrignal is booming in Eirtrea, you should feel proud of that. You know what the attitude of the Amharic speaking people on you unless you want to hide that deliberately. Ask Tigrians living in Addis Ababa, Amhara Region, Oromia, and in other parts of Ethiopia. That is the fact of life. And now you are still throwing bad words on your Eritrean brothers and sisters. Do you think that the Amharas will come to your rescue at the 11th hour? No. Please don't be myopic. Don't worry this testing time will be history. You will be ashamed for what you are now writing or saying. Please, talk wisdom and be wise. bickering doesn't help.



 



Cheers




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Gual Mekelle

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Oh;am surprizing for the person who brought this ques. u know guys the people have enough confidence even to talk another language let alone tigrigna.But we need to use it and make it reach as amharik as.The reason is as amharic have been in using since from the begining.Then we are proud of it and we would like to use it,besids anothers.finaly the people have never inferiority coplex.ever for ever.
But they are respectful what ever the issue is.

tanx

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HAGOS

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THIS IS A GENIUS  QUESTION AND NEEDS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AMONG US TIGREANS. LANGUAGE IS A SYMBOL OF IDENTITY WHICH I LEARNED IN THE WEST WE ALL SHOULD DEVELOP OUR LANGUAGES. DESPITE THE HAMASHIENS NAME CALLING FOR GODSAKE THIS LANGUAGE IS MORE OURS THAN THEIRS. TIGRINA = TIGRAY. PERIOD.

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Daniele

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 I call it low self confidence.



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Zeray Tareke

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The most confused and most iferior people in the world=Banda -Hamassen ,Anseba,Tegoremti.


Why else would they hate their most proud and legendary anscestors of yester years,the Tigras?????????????



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Moksi

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Tarike,


No need of being abusive just because people pointed out your weakness with regard to the Tigrinya language. Please calm down and consider the following factual explanation


Fact 1: Tigrinya is dying in your hands



  • As talking in Tigrinya and writing in Amharic depicts

  • No serious publications in Tigrinya come out from Mekele (the capital of Tigray)

  • Any attempts of write-ups made are based on the Eritrean version

Fact 2: Luckily the Eritrean version is on the rise



  • As it is the working language in Eritrea now

  • Print and elctronic publications are on the rise

Consequence 1: The Tigray dialect of Tigrinya will disappear as the Eritrean version gathers momentum and continmues to dominate.


Consequence 2: Eritrea will continue to be the centre for Tigrinya the world over. Because in addition to the home front, all young and old Eritreans who live abroad are proudly using it maintaining its supermacy on a global scale.


Consequence 3: Eritrea gains materially by winning all the benefits to be had by acting as the Tigrinya hub.


Consequence 4: With the shrink of Tigray's Tigrinya your identity will collapse leaving the Amharic culure to anihilate you. So you will have a comfy seat at Addis for nao put no place to wag your tongue in Mekele (or is it, Mekelie) in the future.


Now think about it...



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Sami Dawit

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Proud Amara:are you sure Tewodros(kassa hailu)was Amhara?Even Grazmatch Hailu,his father born in shire, was Amhara?What is an Amhara any way ?


Today,to People like Ato meles ,all gondar,gojam& Wollo,that are largely Agew and Hamitic in history of recent time,and have nothing in common  amongst themslves,  are considered Amara!!!!!!,like north Shoa.Brand new ethnic identity!!!!!. Another is called Oromia,never heard in history.Meles was trying to make Eritrea`s Independence ,meaningless.That rat looking human has Amhara cunning,may be he is gondere,proud amara what do you think?We eriteans


have hard time with people like Meles Who first,Betrayed their people and then they tried to sabotage us,because,as friends ,we told them not to trust or appease Amharas.Now ,we hear Amara gloating with triumphalism,and say"proud Amara"......Weyo gudu....ETyopiaNewYadegkut


Ajre Atmeka!!!!!


Now,only14yrs later you tell us you are proud amara.Dont think because some sick Tigrens and their Eritrean cousins call each other Agame/Hamassen,etc,they are disrepectig  each other. I as hamassen dont feel insulted,I also know,agames give you prise money ,When you call some one Agame.But ihave a sad news for you:amhara is an insult in both tigreay,and Eritre.We eritreans did not fight Tigray only ,We fought all of you.We still believe Many Tigreays prefer friendship with Eritrea.We know Tigreays history ,so do some of them.You Amharas brainwashed ,brain washed some Tigreays to believe in what you fabricate.There was never an Amhara king in Ethiopia,other than Menelik and Haile.both were even half.Tedros,WasTigrayan by father and Dembie,Shinasha,by mother.Gebre,his commander was from Medebay,in shire and was Related to Kokebai,the commander,of Negus Wuhbe Tigray-tigrigni`s, who was ambushed and killed by Gebre,Kassa`s commander.It sounds ironic,isn`t it?There is more we should know about Ethiopian history



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Ziom

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Dear brothers,


We heard a lot, although the ideas conveyed here are contradicting to even each other at each pararaph. But here calls again another question, if realy you are proud of your language, and that of Tigrigna, if realy you people are proud of your heritage and your origin, and as such you are courageous to be and keep your identity, and to develop to what you heritage belongs what could be then all the course of your hard crack to find your self different? Why you are calling your self even Eritean rather than Ethiopian or Abisibian? And what are or was the causes of being admiring and accepting the foreign forces designations including your name?


I remember one time during the eve of the forged referendom, there was an I.D card publishment by EPLF to those whom are from that part of land. The card has some questionary as any I.D. should. And to those whom speak Tigrigna or their mothertange is Tigrigna they were told to fill it out or it has been printed by EPLFas the following here:


 Ethinic : Tigrigna


Language Or mother-tange: Tigrigna


When we ask why they should be called so, the answers given at different places are all different. But the more convincing one was just to differenciet from the Ethiopians Tegaru. What about the longuistical derivation error, why they don't name other names which it coher if don't need the similarity? They neglect the question raised, but turned back to their fictional tesis and I think they still go untill this time moment. So you Tigrigna Tigrigna, why then you are rest-less to find out your differences or to build your differences?


 


 


                        



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BIGERMEGNE

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There is a psychological expresion called. Grandios behaviour. Or Self Agrandisement. People as people have been seen agrandising themselves. They have in a union a grandios behaviour. Thse people are Eritreans. Especially Hamassien. They Agrandise themselves because they are psychologically sick.


And on the other hand Ethiopians have a sickness of inferiority and rejection. And feel sick Eritreans hate them. So I am Tigraway, Ethiopian. I understand Eritreans are sick. Because of Self Agrandisement. And Ethiopians are sick too because they feel inferior and cannot forget Sick Eritreans.


Thank you



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bigermegne

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There is a psychological expresion called. Grandios behaviour. Or Self Agrandisement. People as people have been seen agrandising themselves. They have in a union a grandios behaviour. Thse people are Eritreans. Especially Hamassien. They Agrandise themselves because they are psychologically sick.


And on the other hand Ethiopians have a sickness of inferiority and rejection. And feel sick Eritreans hate them. So I am Tigraway, Ethiopian. I understand Eritreans are sick. Because of Self Agrandisement. And Ethiopians are sick too because they feel inferior and cannot forget Sick Eritreans.


Thank you



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BIGERMEGNE

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There is a psychological expresion called. Grandios behaviour. Or Self Agrandisement. People as people have been seen agrandising themselves. They have in a union a grandios behaviour. Thse people are Eritreans. Especially Hamassien. They Agrandise themselves because they are psychologically sick.



And on the other hand Ethiopians have a sickness of inferiority and rejection. And feel sick Eritreans hate them. So I am Tigraway, Ethiopian. I understand Eritreans are sick. Because of Self Agrandisement. And Ethiopians are sick too because they feel inferior and cannot forget Sick Eritreans.



Thank you



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bigermegne

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There is a psychological expresion called. Grandios behaviour. Or Self Agrandisement. People as people have been seen agrandising themselves. They have in a union a grandios behaviour. Thse people are Eritreans. Especially Hamassien. They Agrandise themselves because they are psychologically sick.




And on the other hand Ethiopians have a sickness of inferiority and rejection. And feel sick Eritreans hate them. So I am Tigraway, Ethiopian. I understand Eritreans are sick. Because of Self Agrandisement. And Ethiopians are sick too because they feel inferior and cannot forget Sick Eritreans.




Thank you



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